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	<title>Comments on: Brian McLaren endorses Obama during Rick Warren&#8217;s Civil Forum</title>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but I am not mixing the comparisons that way. I was not saying it was ok, I just think people are perhaps missing the larger connection. I don&#039;t think it is hypocritical to point out to the Religious Right that they tossed out the window one of their core values the minute it didn&#039;t line up along party lines in a way that was advantageous for them.

I think it would have better to address it that way directly, instead of coming in sideways using McCain as an object lesson.  However, I think it would be very disingenuous for someone who is decidedly right wing to go around pointing it out.  That person would have little moral authority to do so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but I am not mixing the comparisons that way. I was not saying it was ok, I just think people are perhaps missing the larger connection. I don&#8217;t think it is hypocritical to point out to the Religious Right that they tossed out the window one of their core values the minute it didn&#8217;t line up along party lines in a way that was advantageous for them.</p>
<p>I think it would have better to address it that way directly, instead of coming in sideways using McCain as an object lesson.  However, I think it would be very disingenuous for someone who is decidedly right wing to go around pointing it out.  That person would have little moral authority to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew...So, lets just act like the religious right and club them and be hypocrites, too?  Hmmm.  Makes no sense.

The fact is that there IS a slam as you say and McLaren said he was above that.  Apparently not.  That had not integrity whatsoever.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew&#8230;So, lets just act like the religious right and club them and be hypocrites, too?  Hmmm.  Makes no sense.</p>
<p>The fact is that there IS a slam as you say and McLaren said he was above that.  Apparently not.  That had not integrity whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bigger slam was to the religious right in general, who have used &quot;family values&quot; often as a club to beat up opponents with, yet dismiss those values when it doesn&#039;t fit their political ends.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bigger slam was to the religious right in general, who have used &#8220;family values&#8221; often as a club to beat up opponents with, yet dismiss those values when it doesn&#8217;t fit their political ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts Rich. I don&#039;t think he is becoming an opposite of Dobson...but he is lurking towards that direction I think. I&#039;ll be interested to see how his involvement with the Obama campaign plays out in the next 3 months.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts Rich. I don&#8217;t think he is becoming an opposite of Dobson&#8230;but he is lurking towards that direction I think. I&#8217;ll be interested to see how his involvement with the Obama campaign plays out in the next 3 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to hear Driscoll&#039;s response to this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to hear Driscoll&#8217;s response to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty cheesy commercial.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty cheesy commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going try and not sink to McLaren&#039;s level, so all I will say is that if you know anything about his M.O. and theology, this is not surprising behavior at all...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going try and not sink to McLaren&#8217;s level, so all I will say is that if you know anything about his M.O. and theology, this is not surprising behavior at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Goodyear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Goodyear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, this is just further evidence that no one seems to know how to honor God anymore in their political discourse.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, this is just further evidence that no one seems to know how to honor God anymore in their political discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Obi Wible</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obi Wible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe God&#039;s plan is ever for divorce, but where is the compassion. Who knows where McCain&#039;s head was during those years following his inprisionment. I can&#039;t begin to know or understand the circumstances surrounding his divorce. My goodness, that was a low blow.

Very Low Indeed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe God&#8217;s plan is ever for divorce, but where is the compassion. Who knows where McCain&#8217;s head was during those years following his inprisionment. I can&#8217;t begin to know or understand the circumstances surrounding his divorce. My goodness, that was a low blow.</p>
<p>Very Low Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy...I will not bash McLaren (neither are you), who&#039;s writings I admit reading and respecting.  It is just this seems off for a pastor to be part of a &quot;typical&quot; political ad while trying to say their movement is &quot;loving&quot; in this case.  Perhaps a bad error?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy&#8230;I will not bash McLaren (neither are you), who&#8217;s writings I admit reading and respecting.  It is just this seems off for a pastor to be part of a &#8220;typical&#8221; political ad while trying to say their movement is &#8220;loving&#8221; in this case.  Perhaps a bad error?</p>
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