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		<title>By: Rich Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Amused (since you left no name).

Words really do matter, but we are not talking about semantics.  We prepare like any performer--skill, rehearsal, strategy, and thought.  Yes, we perform when we lead worship.  Every preacher does, too.  They perform a sermon.  A teacher performs a lesson.  No redefinitions here at all.

No decent performer just gets up there and expects to engage his or her audience.  And even though the ultimate audience is God, we worship leaders need to lead the church to perform that act of worship.  If we do not engage the church, we are not doing our job.

What you may be doing to your worship team is telling them they do not have to be that good or prepared and that if people are not engaging you can spiritualize the matter to death.  The human side is still a part of what we do because it is not the facilitation of an individual&#039;s worship (one human to God), but a &lt;i&gt;corporate&lt;/i&gt; thing we do when we gather (human-to-human with God).

In that sense, the musicians can use their skills of performance and entertainment to help the group worship &quot;together&quot;.  Psalm 33:3 &quot;Play with skill..&quot;  Now THAT is performance.

Many words in Hebrew use the actual instrumental act along with worship.  It is interesting to me that we find &lt;i&gt;zamar&lt;/i&gt;--to praise will plucking a string--and many other specific language.  All this is to say, that our musicians indeed lead with their performing human-to-human skills. The difference is content, focus and context--a concert of praise and worship.

As far as critics, they will always be there, regardless--another issue entirely.  I am writing these things to free up you and your worship team from the legalism of trite sayings thrown around these days.  Really, even what you told your team is a repeated phrase that deserves deconstruction and thought.  Christians--think with me here!  That&#039;s what this whole conversation is about.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Amused (since you left no name).</p>
<p>Words really do matter, but we are not talking about semantics.  We prepare like any performer&#8211;skill, rehearsal, strategy, and thought.  Yes, we perform when we lead worship.  Every preacher does, too.  They perform a sermon.  A teacher performs a lesson.  No redefinitions here at all.</p>
<p>No decent performer just gets up there and expects to engage his or her audience.  And even though the ultimate audience is God, we worship leaders need to lead the church to perform that act of worship.  If we do not engage the church, we are not doing our job.</p>
<p>What you may be doing to your worship team is telling them they do not have to be that good or prepared and that if people are not engaging you can spiritualize the matter to death.  The human side is still a part of what we do because it is not the facilitation of an individual&#8217;s worship (one human to God), but a <i>corporate</i> thing we do when we gather (human-to-human with God).</p>
<p>In that sense, the musicians can use their skills of performance and entertainment to help the group worship &#8220;together&#8221;.  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Psalm+33%3A3" class="bibleref" title="ESV Psalm 33:3">Psalm 33:3</a> &#8220;Play with skill..&#8221;  Now THAT is performance.</p>
<p>Many words in Hebrew use the actual instrumental act along with worship.  It is interesting to me that we find <i>zamar</i>&#8211;to praise will plucking a string&#8211;and many other specific language.  All this is to say, that our musicians indeed lead with their performing human-to-human skills. The difference is content, focus and context&#8211;a concert of praise and worship.</p>
<p>As far as critics, they will always be there, regardless&#8211;another issue entirely.  I am writing these things to free up you and your worship team from the legalism of trite sayings thrown around these days.  Really, even what you told your team is a repeated phrase that deserves deconstruction and thought.  Christians&#8211;think with me here!  That&#8217;s what this whole conversation is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused2bhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused2bhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why that posted twice, or why it shows &quot;Dan&quot; as the author, but I only intended to comment once and my name&#039;s not Dan.

don&#039;t shoot me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why that posted twice, or why it shows &#8220;Dan&#8221; as the author, but I only intended to comment once and my name&#8217;s not Dan.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t shoot me.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused2bhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a worship leader, I have said that very phrase &quot;worship leading is not performance&quot; many times to new worship musicians as I try to teach them that they are not giving a concert to the congregation. It is not a &quot;performance&quot; in the sense that we are there not to entertain the people but to provide a vehicle to worship. And the audience/performer relationship is different in worship--God inhabits the praise of His people, so it goes beyond the human performer/audience interchange of a concert. We perform worship, but it is not a performance in that sense.

I agree with the way you&#039;ve taken the word &quot;performance&quot; and used another definition of that word to make the term more broad. True, anything done is performed, so by your definition worship is performance. Do we really want to engage in semantics?

Critics will always be there, this is true. What matters to me is &quot;Who am I performing for?&quot; If I am singing or playing to get applause from the congregation then I have the wrong audience in mind.

I get the sense that this &quot;myth&quot; is a response to the hurt caused when this was said as a criticism, not really a debunking of a worship myth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a worship leader, I have said that very phrase &#8220;worship leading is not performance&#8221; many times to new worship musicians as I try to teach them that they are not giving a concert to the congregation. It is not a &#8220;performance&#8221; in the sense that we are there not to entertain the people but to provide a vehicle to worship. And the audience/performer relationship is different in worship&#8211;God inhabits the praise of His people, so it goes beyond the human performer/audience interchange of a concert. We perform worship, but it is not a performance in that sense.</p>
<p>I agree with the way you&#8217;ve taken the word &#8220;performance&#8221; and used another definition of that word to make the term more broad. True, anything done is performed, so by your definition worship is performance. Do we really want to engage in semantics?</p>
<p>Critics will always be there, this is true. What matters to me is &#8220;Who am I performing for?&#8221; If I am singing or playing to get applause from the congregation then I have the wrong audience in mind.</p>
<p>I get the sense that this &#8220;myth&#8221; is a response to the hurt caused when this was said as a criticism, not really a debunking of a worship myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused2bhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused2bhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a worship leader, I have said that very phrase &quot;worship leading is not performance&quot; many times to new worship musicians as I try to teach them that they are not giving a concert to the congregation. It is not a &quot;performance&quot; in the sense that we are there not to entertain the people but to provide a vehicle to worship. And the audience/performer relationship is different in worship--God inhabits the praise of His people, so it goes beyond the human performer/audience interchange of a concert. We perform worship, but it is not a performance in that sense.

I agree with the way you&#039;ve taken the word &quot;performance&quot; and used another definition of that word to make the term more broad. True, anything done is performed, so by your definition worship is performance. Do we really want to engage in semantics?

Critics will always be there, this is true. What matters to me is &quot;Who am I performing for?&quot; If I am singing or playing to get applause from the congregation then I have the wrong audience in mind.

I get the sense that this &quot;myth&quot; is a response to the hurt caused when this was said as a criticism, not really a debunking of a worship myth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a worship leader, I have said that very phrase &#8220;worship leading is not performance&#8221; many times to new worship musicians as I try to teach them that they are not giving a concert to the congregation. It is not a &#8220;performance&#8221; in the sense that we are there not to entertain the people but to provide a vehicle to worship. And the audience/performer relationship is different in worship&#8211;God inhabits the praise of His people, so it goes beyond the human performer/audience interchange of a concert. We perform worship, but it is not a performance in that sense.</p>
<p>I agree with the way you&#8217;ve taken the word &#8220;performance&#8221; and used another definition of that word to make the term more broad. True, anything done is performed, so by your definition worship is performance. Do we really want to engage in semantics?</p>
<p>Critics will always be there, this is true. What matters to me is &#8220;Who am I performing for?&#8221; If I am singing or playing to get applause from the congregation then I have the wrong audience in mind.</p>
<p>I get the sense that this &#8220;myth&#8221; is a response to the hurt caused when this was said as a criticism, not really a debunking of a worship myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not our job to change a critic&#039;s heart; our job is simply to love. We don&#039;t have to discern any motives, in fact, we may not even know the person whom we&#039;re befriending is a critic.

An admittedly simple scenario would go like this: Joe thinks the music team participates in ungodly performance on Sunday morning because, of all things, my hair is offensive to him, because, by gosh, why else would I have hair like that other than to draw attention to myself? He&#039;ll never say that, but that is the underlying problem. Joe doesn&#039;t know me; I am simply a symbolic icon on the stage that is representative to him of something he doesn&#039;t like.

By chance I get into the same home group with Joe. We get to talking and find out we both think that Toyota makes the greatest pickup trucks in the whole wide world. I just became human to him at that point and the hair problem and concomitant criticism simply disappears. The bonus: we&#039;ve each made a new friend. I didn&#039;t even know he was the one putting a card in the offering basket every Sunday complaining about the team being a bunch of ungodly performers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not our job to change a critic&#8217;s heart; our job is simply to love. We don&#8217;t have to discern any motives, in fact, we may not even know the person whom we&#8217;re befriending is a critic.</p>
<p>An admittedly simple scenario would go like this: Joe thinks the music team participates in ungodly performance on Sunday morning because, of all things, my hair is offensive to him, because, by gosh, why else would I have hair like that other than to draw attention to myself? He&#8217;ll never say that, but that is the underlying problem. Joe doesn&#8217;t know me; I am simply a symbolic icon on the stage that is representative to him of something he doesn&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>By chance I get into the same home group with Joe. We get to talking and find out we both think that Toyota makes the greatest pickup trucks in the whole wide world. I just became human to him at that point and the hair problem and concomitant criticism simply disappears. The bonus: we&#8217;ve each made a new friend. I didn&#8217;t even know he was the one putting a card in the offering basket every Sunday complaining about the team being a bunch of ungodly performers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is our job to change critics hearts?  That monkey is not one that I would wish on anybody&#039;s back.

If one wishes to build a relationship and be open and take the time, then they perhaps can earn the right to critique a persons &quot;motives&quot; in that context.  (We should tread lightly when question motives since we have no clue about that.)  Leaders need some grace here since we are accountable more so than someone not putting their life in the line of fire. (Hebrews 13:17)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is our job to change critics hearts?  That monkey is not one that I would wish on anybody&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>If one wishes to build a relationship and be open and take the time, then they perhaps can earn the right to critique a persons &#8220;motives&#8221; in that context.  (We should tread lightly when question motives since we have no clue about that.)  Leaders need some grace here since we are accountable more so than someone not putting their life in the line of fire. (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Hebrews+13%3A17" class="bibleref" title="ESV Hebrews 13:17">Hebrews 13:17</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, unfortunately there&#039;s little difference between the world and the church of God: those with high visibility become a  magnet for criticism. But love is powerful (I Peter 4:8) and can change critical hearts. This could be the team motto:

The Irresistible Revolution:
Changing our church from the inside out,
One critic at a time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, unfortunately there&#8217;s little difference between the world and the church of God: those with high visibility become a  magnet for criticism. But love is powerful (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+4%3A8" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 4:8">I Peter 4:8</a>) and can change critical hearts. This could be the team motto:</p>
<p>The Irresistible Revolution:<br />
Changing our church from the inside out,<br />
One critic at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog man.  Great insights.
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		<title>By: Rich Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to burst the bubble, but with hundreds of people we are not going to be able to befriend everyone who misunderstands us and the motives.  &lt;b&gt;The fact is, when you lead anything you will have critics.&lt;/b&gt;  In this case, I am trying to encourage worship team and worship leaders (like Jason) to accept that they &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be appreciated and do not have to apologize for what they do and how they do it when they are serving as worship leaders just because some do not understand or feel the things Dan mentions--resentment, etc.

&lt;b&gt;God is the audience--the congregation is the choir--the worship team is the backup band. &lt;/b&gt;

It might help to ask these people one-on-one who feel critical, &quot;Do you think God was pleased with your worship offering today?&quot;  Hmmm.  Ultimately, that is what we are trying to get people to ask, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to burst the bubble, but with hundreds of people we are not going to be able to befriend everyone who misunderstands us and the motives.  <b>The fact is, when you lead anything you will have critics.</b>  In this case, I am trying to encourage worship team and worship leaders (like Jason) to accept that they <i>should</i> be appreciated and do not have to apologize for what they do and how they do it when they are serving as worship leaders just because some do not understand or feel the things Dan mentions&#8211;resentment, etc.</p>
<p><b>God is the audience&#8211;the congregation is the choir&#8211;the worship team is the backup band. </b></p>
<p>It might help to ask these people one-on-one who feel critical, &#8220;Do you think God was pleased with your worship offering today?&#8221;  Hmmm.  Ultimately, that is what we are trying to get people to ask, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the posts. This something I have really been struggling with for about 7 months now. I will let this all soak in!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the posts. This something I have really been struggling with for about 7 months now. I will let this all soak in!</p>
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